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I did some research and, as it turns out, Ogres and Trolls essentially mean the same thing depending on where you're from while Orcs was largely a Tolkien invention or at least most of what we know as an Orc came from him and anything before has largely been lost to time being more or less similar while Goblins are usually lumped in as "Orcs or trolls, but smaller and wusser".
And while they usually have differentiating traits when they do all appear in the same work, which traits goes to whom seem to differ wildly across works of fiction. Like sometimes Trolls are huge and fat, other times they're lean and tall. Sometimes they're short and lean, and can range anywhere from "just taller than Orcs" to "about the median between a human and a Goblin". Ogres vary just as much, with the only common themes being "larger than most bipeds except for giants" and "dumber than Orcs or Trolls".
Not even skin color is consistent since even Orcs, which are usually nicknamed greenskins, have appeared as brown, red, and everything in between and then there's the type of creature they are since there have been reptilian trolls, mammalian trolls, and all sorts in between. This is in contrast to some other mythological creatures and races, such as Elves universally magical, long ears, long lived and graceful, even santa's elves , Dwarves stout, strong, beards, tinker a lot and have a strong tradition , Vampires bloodsucking undead with magical powers , Zombies just plain undead and mindless , Dragons powerful reptilians with breath weapons and often magical and so forth.
Hell I think Dragons make the perfect contrast as the different types are usually clearly defined even across media Wyverns being dragons without forelimbs usually, unless the dragons are defined as such like in Skyrim, Wyrms being Dragons without limbs, and Chinese Dragons being serpentine with no wings and divine. Even in exceptions they're usually at least identify as being related to Dragons in one way or another.
So what are your thoughts about these? I'm specifically talking about both folklore and modern media. Mods, if this is the incorrect forum, I apologize and ask for it to be moved to the correct one, but I feel like it should go into geek media since this is more about their popular depictions.
Can I have an Autograph! Kanluwen wrote: Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use". When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah.
I'll be irked. They're all more or less iterations of the rather varied and diverse European folklore surrounding fairies also known in hoitytoity literary circles as "fairy lore". Modern fantasy has mostly bastardized the diversity and complexity of this mythology, while reducing the word "fairy" to flowery cuteness when in the actual folklore fairies are more often than not insanely metal and you do not want to feth with them.
Elves are also part of this lore background. A not so brief brief rundown; Spoiler :. Some places associated Elves though a ambivalent to humanity, and might help or screw you over depending on their demeanor and mood at the time. Goblins evolved from the Germanic Kobold. The Gnome is a later Renaissance creation based on the same mythology. Similarly related creatures are hobgoblins, boggarts, the Scottish brownies, and the much later gremlin.
Kobolds were generally not particularly harmful unless you pissed them off. The House Elves of Harry Potter are derived from the legends of Kobolds as house hold spirits who help you out in exchange for leftovers.
Goblins by extension abandoned most of the positive aspects of the kobold, leaving only the temperamental personality and greed. Dwarves are Nordic, and you can read much about their history in the Poetic and Prose Edda.
These two sources give them different backgrounds, depicting them either as children of Brimir a giant or as maggots that emerged from the rotting flesh of of Ymir who might be the same giant Note that dwarves in Nordic legend were not stout shorties, but were a variation of elf, namely black elves.
The Svartalfar were a particular tribe of "black elf" mentioned in the Prose Edda. Ogres are monsters derived from much older legends about Orcus, a monster of unclear origin some thing he's a pre-Roman monster, some think he's Germanic, others think he was originally Greek. Orcus was a monster who ate human flesh and Beowulf's Grendel is a related monster. The word "ogre" itself is pretty new being coined by some author I can't remember in the 18th century or something but it's all basically a long series of folk lore about grotesque man eating monsters that like living in caves.
Orcs ultimately derive from this same conception but orcs are almost completely a modern invention whose existence is really owed to Tolkien. Tolkien initially derived Orcs directly from Grendal, you may notice that in LotR that Orcs like eating "man flesh". Trolls these days are often conflated a lot with ogres but the original trolls are of Nordic origin and Fond on caves, grotesque may or may not like human flesh. Trolls make a brief appearance in the Prose Edda, where they're not really described that much outside of not liking sunlight and that they were descended from the Jotun more giants.
Elves are very Amature vs. Lieing vs. Preferred vs. Omage vs. Finally vs. Attendance vs. Latest Comparisons Tubercule vs. Glyptal vs. Faucet vs. Com vs. Destroyable vs. Aboriginal vs. Coelomate vs. Ocean vs. Judge vs. Flag vs. Forbear vs. Awesomely vs. Fat vs. Sonhood vs. Orcs are tall, with strong, sturdy bodies, with below average human-level intelligence, but very aggressive and very territorial. Trolls are creatures that draw heavily from their environment.
Because you have many different classes of troll, all with varying levels of sapience. Stone-trolls were trolls who turned into stone during daylight, like the trolls in The Hobbit.
Cave-trolls were seen in Moria, and were also in the Ettenmoors. They were created by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, before the First Age and served him and later his successor in their quest to dominate Middle-earth. Usually about , centimeters tall.
They can also often be found hiding under bridges, like trolls. Many stories tell of them attacking castles in search of humans. Given their brutal nature, ogres are often thought of as being male. However, there is also such a thing as a female ogre, known as an ogress! Orcs and humans can interbreed, and in this union create half-orcs.
Humans and orcs have been enemies for decades and half-orcs represent something both races prefer not to think about. Tolkien invented neither orcs, nor the term "orc".
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